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  • jordan avatar

    Are spiritual teachers more narcissistic on average? Our best guess at infant phenomenology is that we come out of the womb experiencing a pre-differentiated oneness. As babies, we assume the world revolves around us because for all we can tell, the world is us. We have no way to empathize bc we can’t take another perspective. This theory underpins a lot of psychological claims, like “we internalized our parents’ fighting, assuming it was about us when it really wasn’t.” 

    I claim this isn’t an elevated spiritual state, because we haven’t developed individuality yet. We need to have something before we can transcend it. Ego collapse and ego-transcendence both involve a different sense of self from the adult norm, so they’re easy to confuse without a developmental distinction. Both provide a sense of certainty, and rely on non-linguistic knowing, making it harder to recognize the distinctions.

    To the extent this is true, it makes me wonder: Are spiritual teachers more narcissistic on average?? (some evidence points that way, but no rigorous studies exist). Can they differentiate between the state of pre-differentiated and post-differentiated union? And if they can’t, how often are experiences labeled “union,” or “nonduality” actually literal infantile regressions? If so, wouldn’t these teachers exhibit the same self-centered orientation of an infant?

    Plus, selection effects: narcissistic individuals are drawn to roles with authority, attention, and reduced accountability structures. Communities where charisma is more relevant than independent reviews of competence (versus accounting or Nascar), and states of attainment are categorically unverifiable by the students (versus massage or writing fiction).

     

    Distinguishing infant oneness from transcendence

    This doesn’t mean all spiritual teachers or leaders are “narcissistic” even in a colloquial sense, just higher risk. And it’s an inherent epistemological risk in finding someone who’s better than you at something you haven't accessed, using frameworks you haven't developed, verified by experiences you can't reproduce (yet).

    So best to encourage critical thinking, and introspect on some of the checks I have for myself (and others) about myself and anyone I look to for guidance: Is my spiritual practice increasing my need for special treatment, entitlement, surrounding me with people that never challenge my views? Am I always turning criticism around—saying it's “your karma,” “your projection,” “your lesson”, “your drama triangle stuff”?” Am I telling others what’s true about them without acknowledging my projection (ironically), justifying boundary violations since it’s all illusory, calling my emotional reactivity "authenticity," calling others’ reactivity attachment?

    Or do I laugh at myself, and the inevitable foibles I engage to maintain the sense of self I’m laughing at? Can I laugh at any so-called “spiritual attainment”? Do I truly not need special treatment—do I wipe the toilets and empty the trash like everyone else? Am I able to hold many different perspectives at once, including “unity” and my uniqueness? Do I maintain appropriate boundaries while experiencing interconnection? Is my ethical behavior consistent across contexts?

    jordanSA•...
    wow, interesting, I just looked up the etymology and charisma originally was a Greek Christian term for divine gifts. From this point of view, it doesn't much matter whether a teacher is "charismatic" in the way we use it now, they're "charismatic" in that they're the conduit for...
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  • Xuramitra PPARK•...

    Only looking at roadblocks is self-defeating

    I feel like friends including some here have been gesturing at this to me for years but I got "it" on a deeper level today in therapy. I was talking about how unhappy I am about my work lately. Therapist suggested what would be my ideal work like instead?...
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  • B

    I need a new word. I’ve been using the word autistic as a description of a state experience where, when one is in such a state, they don’t recognize subtle passive cues from others. One example is when someone’s feeling a lot of unity they often fail to see bids for connection from someone who’s more codependently minded. I think it’s kinda lazy of me because I don’t think that factor speaks to the experience of an autistic person. Any ideas?

    If I switch to neurodivergent is it better?

    blasomenessphemy•...
    Alex! I asked chatgpt to make up 10 words using latin, greek, or sanskrit: It’s thoughtful of you to consider the impact of your language. Using "autistic" in that context can indeed be seen as disrespectful or inaccurate....
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