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  • jordan avatar

    Ordinary Love. An invitation to true wellness culture

    Postmodernity is too egocentric. This includes current “spiritual” trends.

    Here’s what an alternative can look like: Yesterday Dara asked Jason to install a window A/C unit in Val’s room; he came over and did it. Last night a participant shared struggling with a contract at work, and a lawyer in the session volunteered to help her redline it. My sister watches the kids while I help my brother-in-law move their furniture to make room for the new baby. If this doesn’t sound special, that’s the point. You’re already doing this, that’s also the point.

    I’m not writing to admonish us to “get rid” of the “ego”—a particular self-identity*. I think it’s too hard for modern Americans, steeped in a culture of individualism. I love life, people, experience, and I think a good life includes a sense of “me.” Instead, I want to expand the sense of self to go much beyond the concept of “my body, my history” to see the larger whole these are part of. One upshot of this is gratitude, even for what I usually think of as “Jordan’s”—like these thoughts thunk in English. I needed English to think ‘em, so how much are they ‘mine’? 

    Automated & consensual narrative lock-in

    We know that social media exacerbated this. Many studies show narcissism and loneliness increasing faster with mass adoption of social media, especially after 2012. Young kids don’t want to serve as a fireman or doctor anymore, they want to be adored as an influencer (We’re working on this social media problem by launching UpTrust). 

    Now I worry that AI is exponentiating this self-reification trend to unprecedented levels.

    Last week I met four people who were convinced that their personal ChatGPT interface, molding its “personality” to respond based on their unique interactions, was a sentient being. If you think our filter bubbles are bad now, imagine what it’s like when we have 8 billion of them? Each individual’s personal collection of bots reinforcing whatever identity feels special, safe, and comfortable, no matter how limited and delusional?

    There’s nothing wrong with specialness, safety, and comfort, but neither is there anything wrong with ordinariness, risk, and discomfort. Transformation, life, intimacy, and play all demand both. Are we bleaching the color of life in pursuit of maintaining a self? What are we so afraid of that we hide from becoming? Life is transformation. Relating requires and changes our uniqueness. Other people providing friction and challenge—that’s a service, freely given to all at birth.

    Perhaps the trap isn’t narcissism. It’s any reification of identity via any narrative frame, especially spiritual ones, designed to parade as if they’re narrative-free. And the cost is ordinary love.

    Transcend and exclude often means we fall back into less maturity

    I’m still trying to get my mind and language around this, so I’m going to highlight the contrast to see the phenomena more clearly. Does your coach / (AI) therapist / culture / practice help you:

    • Express more gratitude? Become more forgiving? Be more accepting of others’ flaws? “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court”?
      Or say you should be treated a very particular way (reifying a victim identity?)

    • Build infrastructure that’s super helpful but unsexy? Do things that are good for others without recognition? Feed those who are hungry? Do mundane things for the local whole like pick up trash that’s not yours?
      Or build a marketing funnel that will help you promote yourself and perpetuate the ‘me’ ‘me’ ‘me’ cycle? 

    • Love your friends and family better? Accept being misunderstood? Show up to their events and support their successes? Take care of them when they’re sick? Be more generous? Patient, humble, respectful, loyal, temperate? Maintain commitments regardless of feelings?
      Or emphasize your in-the-moment desire above all else, calling impulsivity and self-centeredness ‘surrender’?

    • Develop boundaries as expressions of love and connection? Face challenges with grace and acceptance? Take responsibility for your pain, flaws, mistakes, shadows, and limitations?
      Or use "boundaries" to control others and force them to change according to your preferences?

    • Admit ignorance, learn from criticism, hold your beliefs lightly, speak simply about profound experiences, work steadily without needing dramatic breakthroughs, notice your defensive patterns without performatively announcing them, contribute to social understanding, love others as they are?
      Or position yourself as having rare insights to help others transcend their limitations through your techniques and advice?

    This list can go on; I wish I could speak to the connection and community side more but I’m stuck in my own bias. 

    I’m not saying it’s easy, we of course need guides, mentors, feedback–it’s so complicated! Nor am I saying its special—all of this has been said for thousands of years! I’m trying to highlight a healthy version of one pole and unhealthy versions of another on purpose to get more clarity on where we are deeply unbalanced today. This is especially true of ‘spiritual’ hotbeds like San Francisco, Boulder, Ubud, Amsterdam. Austin is somewhat counterbalanced by its Texas-ness—cowboy culture still emphasizes family, duty and sacrifice to a greater good beyond ‘you’. Plus our immigrants are a little more integrated.

    What’s up with me?

    Anyway, I ask myself: Why do I care?

    Sure, practices purported to transcend ego instead teach self-absorption. But it’s in the name— "personal growth" and “self-help.” What’s got me?

    Because I’m guilty of all of this. 

    Sometimes despite my best efforts, I’ve taught people to ignore their minds in order to stay with the sensations of their bodies (rather than integrating them); to ‘surrender’ to their feelings-in-the-moment and ignore larger consequences or agreements and the greater wholes that hold them. I’ve corrected a lot of these mistakes, made amends, even evolved the practice and training. Yet I still can’t quite escape the selfishness of ‘wellness’ culture. Prime example: a couple years ago we hosted a “Give Fest” at the Relateful Studio in Austin with a reverse silent auction, where people bid on what they wanted to give to a local nonprofit. Even my wife and I didn’t follow through on what we ‘won.’

    Let us redefine wellness and self-development. Let us change the metrics to gratitude, forgiveness, acceptance of our and others' flaws, showing up for family, friendship, and our greater communities. Let us celebrate unglamorous, unwitnessed interdependence.

    Three alternatives: what is it all for?

    Burning Man is actually a great example of a positive alternative. The economy is about gifting—and after your first year, it’s well known that to get the most out of the experience, you need to give. People camp in communities, build massive art projects and cars together, and give them freely without credit, burning them at the end. It’s all about creating for the whole, being present with each other in non-transactional relating. All of this disrupts the self-reification loops in such a way that people are consistently shaken from long held encumbrances, and come out of the desert transformed. I say this as an admirer but not a fanatic—I went to Black Rock City in 2012 and 2014, and then didn’t go again.

    Relatefulness

    Relatefulness, especially in Level Up ⬆’s Leadership Program and the The Relateful Coaching Training, does not fall into these problem nearly as badly as almost every other community I’ve seen. We claim our directionality of truth + love. This means the personal can’t be number one—individual expression and growth is always in service of something greater. Of course we make mistakes. (For example, the Level Up structure highlighted individualism. We’ll be returning to a cohort-only model this Fall—more on that in a future email). But we’ve done a really good job focusing on being with what is, especially relationally and communally. 

    We don’t abandon compassion and honesty in service of making sure people feel seen, heard, cultivating a ‘safe space,’ or maintaining instagram-defined-trauma-therapy-norms. This is hard, because I not only want people to feel seen, heard, safe, and heal, I think it’s crucial for a healthy community and for the true pursuit of truth and love. It just needs to be in service of love/truth, rather than an end unto itself. It needs to come authentically from the moment, not as a script or status signal or performance. We run into generative friction embracing the seeming paradox of this polarity all the time, and it is incredibly demanding of our facilitators to walk this tight rope. It demands that we are always changing, individually as leaders, as a community, and even the practice itself. Even our coaching teaches revealing identity commitments, inherently making the self an object in a larger self that can choose “yes” or “no” to, versus reinforcing a self and an existing worldview.

    And even as we teach people how to meta-narrate as a way to witness and disembed themselves from unconscious habits that have been running them, we recognize that the compulsion to name and categorize experiences—spiritual or otherwise—often becomes a form of conceptual possession, serving self preservation rather than self-transformation.

    Frozen
    The Disney movie Frozen shows another fantastic example of a healthy alternative. (I just watched the Broadway version with my kids this weekend, so it's fresh on my mind). 

    In my view, the critical part of Elsa moving from “Conceal don’t reveal” to “Let it Go” is not about self-expression, it's about surrendering the need to control, particularly others’ reactions to her true nature. As a result she loves what she previously saw as her shame (her ice power), an identity transformation that eliminates the victim-perpetrator dynamic entirely and unlocks her ability to use her power for everyone’s benefit.

    But of course the most incredible part is reframing the trope of “true love”—not just from romantic to familial love, but about the act of loving others. The secret that ‘healed’ Anna’s frozen heart wasn’t receiving ‘true love’ from someone else, but her performing a selfless act of true love herself. Even better, she truly loved the one who accidentally caused the curse in the first place, in a show of what I like to call “true forgiveness”—there was never any threat to love’s presence in the first place. So in some real sense, nothing to forgive. Family love, particularly love that endures despite harm, represents the ordinary, unglamorous love that doesn't depend on worthiness or reciprocity (romantic love ideally is the same, but often feels like something we need to earn or could lose). 

    Oh and there’s the wonderful Olaf, as a projection of the best of Anna and Elsa’s innocence in childhood. And I love that it’s not spiritual :)
     

    True spirituality isn’t spiritual (and is definitely not about ‘me’)

    As usual, I’m writing this for myself as much as anyone. Can I experience states of fundamental wellbeing, help others, and act with virtue and integrity without any internal or external narration / validation? Without needing it to be spiritual development? Who would be accumulating spiritual experiences or qualities anyway, and what would they be good for if not to benefit the whole of existence?

    Can all of my mastery lead me to being completely ordinary? Not needing actions to be recognized as anything, even by myself, I respond to what's in front of me without overlaying (spiritual) significance.

    And can I not do that for the sake of development either? If I notice that self-referential trap, may I love myself in it and move on with the normal good stuff of living. The self-referential loop is infinite if I engage it.

    Instead, let me show up lovingly for the sake of itself, because that’s what love does.

     

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    *Although that is a path that can work for some people like Byron Katie or Eckhart Tolle, it’s a hard one to “do” because the will that acts needs to eventually be transcended. In both of their histories, their dissolution was more done to them.

     


    (this will be sent out to my #TTT email in a couple of days, but UpTrust gets the early exclusive ;) )

    jordanSA•...
    I agree! thanks for pointing this out. The degradation of these traditional institutions is complex and includes toxic cultures inside and outside, and terrible wages is one piece of the multi-faceted puzzle....
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  • TheLion•...

    If you had an invention

    What would that invention be about and why? I myself love inventions it's always interesting to find innovative ways to make life better for everyone. So please as a collective what would you do to help the society of today....
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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    Incorruptible Organizations AMA with Eric Ries. Wednesday 2/4 at 3:00 PM CT

    Lean Startup author who now focuses on legal structures to protect mission-driven organizations from corruption. incorruptible.co

    Free book giveaway! Register here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNfb54LuzwI
    JulieI•...
    Their job; their goal; the thing that gave them status or credibility... No ethics involved except lack of them  ...NO.... Having ethics does matter or, often, behaving ethically has less value BY OTHER PEOPLE's standards....
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  • MossyMoni•...

    I don't know what to feel anymore...

    Am I going crazy? How can people just act normally in such scary and outrageous times? 

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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    AMA with Nate Soares. Wednesday 2/4 at 10am CT

    Author of If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies answers questions about why superhuman AI would kill us all.

    So8res•...
    Well the paradigm seems basically worst-case: We have on idea what's going on inside the AIs an we have lots of indications that it's weird and only tangentially related to what we asked for....
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  • Missy•...

    Frozen Wednesday Feb 4

    Frozen Wednesday. The ground is still locked in ice. The trees are quiet. Even the deer step softer when the world feels this tense. Nancy Guthrie is still missing — a family somewhere living every parent-child nightmare in real time....
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  • Anshjb•...

    Oversimplified Mindsets

    I often find that in times of great stress or uncomfortable situations, what I considered disadvantages have become of great strength. People are often told one of two extremes: their station is all their fault or it isn't....
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  • PhillyRules1966•...

    Should Politics Be On The Playing Field?

    Why has just about everything within our lives become political including sports. Should athletes use this form to be political or should they do it off the athletic field and on their own time?

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  • M

    The concept of this app sounds promising. Do you think the internet can be a place for deep and meaningful conversations in this day and age?

    Yeti•...
    I don't want to come across as pessimistic, but in all honesty I do not; at least not on a broad scale.  I think the best we can realistically hope for is a modest collection of decent individuals. What I'd like to see is people not openly lying and spreading disinformation....
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  • nat avatar

    I didn't book an accommodation because of AI generated images. I love AI because it has helped me save hours by automating systems, analyzing SEO, and creating website content.

    But today, while researching places to stay in Buenos Aires, I realized that we need to be mindful of when to use AI so that trust is not eroded.

    My wife sent me the link to an apartment listed on Booking dot com. This listing had tons of great reviews but several of the images were clearly AI generated. They were generic. Fake looking. This made me question the reviews too, especially since I saw one name repeatedly pop up under different reviews. 

    I searched for this property on Tripadvisor and saw customer submitted photos. Here I could see that several of the Booking dot com photos were generated based off the customer submitted ones. And the Tripadvisor reviews were fewer and not as favorable.

    We didn't book this place. It may still be a great place to stay. But the use of AI generated images threw me off. 

    I feel like I should have a clearer point to make. But I'm also feeling lazy to come up with one.

    jordanSA•...
    a lot of the questions to me come to down to how fast we adopt the changes, and what incentivizes those. You're adopting to the changes by putting more of your personality in, and ideally you'll be able to adopt to what's next when your personality (or something similar) is...
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  • X

    American Military Bases are basically socialist woke dream . I was talking to a former military brat just yesterday about her life growing up in US military bases around the world with a Colonel father.

    She mentioned that food, housing, health care and education is all provided and equal. The 4 star general's kid goes to the same school as the private's kid. So the school has to be damm good to make sure they can get into the Ivy Leagues. She never knew anything about health insurance, when anyone was sick, they just went to the clinic and got care. Everything was equal and fair without money involved. She was surprised to learn what health insurance even was when she came to the US as a teenager. "You mean you don't just get taken care of when you're sick?"

    Given the recent Prez/SecWar gathering the US military generals to say we're ending the "woke" era. Maybe they should also stop this socialist wet dream happening in hundreds of military bases worldwide.

    Of course, there're downsides to the military and growing up in that system. Not to mention the difference of volunteering to risk sacrificing your life and getting benefits in return. Nonetheless, it does seem to validate that if you're doing a great social good then you deserve a strong social safety net.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/troops-of-the-uniform-unite-the-military-is-a-socialist-paradise/
    jordanSA•...

    yeah i agree.

    This is a really interesting "problem" for society that's different from any organization; you can't just filter out the people you don't want.

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  • I

    We're putting software in places it doesn't belong. Two short rants about software making things worse.

    Making things less thingy

    A little while back BMW tried to charge people to use the seat heaters that were already installed in their cars. They reneged after some bad press, but the trend continues. Here's Audi's page on features you can pay to unlock.

    This is possible because software is used to artificially hamstring the car. Imagine if you bought a car with a sun roof that was bolted in place because you didn't pay to "unlock" it upfront. Enthusiasts would figure out how to cheaply remove those bolts, and the car company would eventually give up on the idea. Unfortunately, software is notoriously difficult to alter in place, and circumvention of "digital locks" is generally considered illegal.

    Businesses can use software to hold their product's essence for ransom.

    In 2019 Nike released some high-tech shoes that you could control with an app, and last year they discontinued the app. Some of the features of the shoes don't work without the app. Until someone reverse engineers the setup, fans of the shoes will have to keep the app around on an old phone and make sure nothing gets automatically updated and removed.

    The product is less useful because the business got sick of maintaining the software interface.

    It's convenient but it's less good

    Many restaurants around here (Brisbane, Australia) have adoped online ordering. Instead of talking to staff, you tap on your phone. It can break in silly ways when compare to talking with a person; it's extremely unlikely that the colour of your t-shirt is going to give the waitress a seizure, but it's not uncommon for the "order" button on the menu app to freeze because of some quirk in your phone's web browser.

    It's certainly more convenient, in some respect, but I've been starting to think that not every convenience is worth it. I've been struggling with feelings of isolation for a little while, and I've been noticing the way that convenience can be at odds with connection. In 2025 it's extremely convenient to not engage with other people.

    It's also convenient to type out a big rant while sitting at my desk in my house. It would be much less convenient to commiserate with friends over dinner or beers. I worry that "social media" (including UpTrust) will become the dominant social substrate out of convience, even though there are much better non-software alternatives.

    isaac_uptrust•...
    I hope we all can attend to the things we treasure that we aren't getting here, even if UpTrust becomes mind-blowingly awesome. Hmm I guess I'm hoping if UpTrust is awesome enough, we'll get even better, together, at getting those things we want which aren't here For me,...
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  • Philip avatar

    Trump is doing his part to make money great again (by embracing Bitcoin). Preamble:

     

    At this point I've spent a few thousand hours studying Bitcoin. It's a fascinating rabbit hole and a subject I've become passionate about. Here are some of the conclusions I've reached:  

    1. Bitcoin is by far the best form of money that humanity has come up with so far. It’s accessible to anyone with an internet connection (truly global and egalitarian), its supply is finite (something we’ve never had before) and it separates money from state, which is really good for a number of reasons. To name just a couple: it curtails governments' ability to wage endless wars (that are, at least in part, funded with the creation of new money/debt) and it prevents them from constantly inflating the money supply and devaluing the value of each unit of the currency (the scourge that we all know as ""inflation"").  
    2. Since it's still in the early days of its valuation, Bitcoin's "price" (exchange rate might be more accurate) in the short-term is very unpredicatable and volatile. But in the medium to long-term, it's becoming more and more valuable by orders or magnitude (hundreds of dollars, to thousands, to tens of thousands and soon hundreds of thousands per bitcoin). This makes it an excellent savings vehicle for the long-term. It's also a form of money that is unconfiscatable which can be extremely useful to people living under totalitarian governments, fleeing war zones, etc.
    3. Everything else in ""crypto"" besides Bitcoin is at best, a startup with a yet-to-be-proven use case and in most cases more like a scam. This can be quite infuriating to those of us who understand Bitcoin because every single crypto scam only serves to further confuse the mainstream and to make people assume that Bitcoin must also be a scam.

    Deep Take:

     

    Trump has just announced that the US government will create a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve, meaning they will be holding (and likely buying) bitcoin as a strategic asset, similar to how they hold gold, oil, etc. As much as I might dislike Trump and many of his policies, I think this is something that can have incredibly good long-term consequences for the world.  

    I do think it’s a shame that since it's Trump doing this, progressives and people on the Left are probably even less likely to adopt Bitcoin. I imagine for most people who don't like Trump it will just seem like another of his crazy/dangerous schemes. I think that's a shame because when used as long-term savings technology, adopting Bitcoin can be enormously empowering financially and in terms of enhancing personal responsibility. I've lived this in my own experience and it's something that I wish for others. 

    Nonetheless, I’ve always considered myself more of a progressive and I still took the time to look into Bitcoin, so it's definitely possible. I hope others on the Left can manage to be independently-minded enough to not miss the boat. I also think that only someone as “out there” as Trump could have allowed something as revolutionary and "against the grain" as a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve to happen in the US government. Evolution, as they say, works in mysterious ways.

    Trump is being advised by Wall Street veterans like Howard Lutnick (Commerce Secretary) and Scott Bessent (Treasury Secretary) who understand Bitcoin and its potential future value. And yeah, they're probably mostly in it to make money. Lutnick, by his own admission, owns hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of Bitcoin. But that's not the point. The point is that Bitcoin is like a Trojan Horse. I'm pretty sure people in the US government and Wall Street (and subsequent governments around the world who adopt a similar strategy) will do their very best to co-opt Bitcoin. They'll try to take it over and neutralize it as a threat to their monetary monopolies. But Bitcoin has proven its anti-fragility time and again. Not only does it ""refuse to die"" but every time it's been attacked, it comes back stronger and even more resilient. I fully expect that to continue.

    And so by taking the first steps towards the US government adopting Bitcoin (and thereby legitimizing it in the eyes of the world), Trump and co. are accelerating the transition from government-backed inflationary currencies to a form of money that can’t be inflated or manipulated by anyone and can be used by everyone. It's going to be a long and messy transition, but I think it's a very, very good thing for humanity's future. As the saying goes: ""even a broken clock is right twice a day." : )

    #DeepTakes

    jordanSA•...
    some bits i want to highlight, as a fellow bitcoin enthusiast: Everything else in ""crypto"" besides Bitcoin is at best, a startup with a yet-to-be-proven use case and in most cases more like a scam....
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  • R

    Meta is ending its fact-checking program in favor of a 'community notes' system similar to X. Maybe this is good for this platform making this kind of platform even more needed? 

    "We're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies and restoring free expression on our platforms," Zuckerberg said in a video. "More specifically, here's what we're going to do. First, we're going to get rid of fact checkers and replace them with community notes similar to X, starting in the U.S."

    "The reality is that this is a trade off. It means we're going to catch less bad stuff, but we'll also reduce the number of innocent people's posts and accounts that we accidentally take down."

    What do y'all think? 

    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/meta-ends-fact-checking-program-community-notes-x-rcna186468
    jordanSA•...
    I think community notes is a great movement in the right direction, so overall this is a good thing for society. As far as I can tell, "Fact Checking" is an orange orientation to what-is-truth, and "community notes" is a green one....
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  • it_is_whatitis01•...

    Education system in india

    I feel that the education system in india needs a major overhaul. At present it’s based on consumption system ….if I get good marks then I have better future prospects ,I can make more money ,buy more and bigger house,car etc it’s like living in one’s own bubble disconnected with...
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  • jordan avatar

    Monogamy v polyamory. Is monogamy better? Is poly better? Is there an overall norm for people, with exceptions? Is it totally pluralistic? Here are some points for monogamy, with some counter points, to convey some of my uncertainty but nevertheless leaning into what I’ve chosen:

    • Point: I don’t know a single polyamorous couple that’s lasted more than a decade, whereas I know a ton of lifelong monogamous couples.
      • Counterpoint: many of the lifelong monogamous couples are not healthy relationships
        • Counter-counter-point: perhaps being in a lifelong commitment, even if the relationship isn’t ideal, is more healthy than being hyper-independent, especially as you get older. This runs right up against boundaries, how to know what to tolerate/love as is, when to leave, etc
    • Point: The poly focus of attention tends to be the relationships themselves, often a kind of relational narcissism, rather than the relationship being a foundation for engaging the world in love (ironically). This is my version of the poly is impractical argument. Most of the people I meet practicing polyamory are constantly putting tons and tons and tons of life energy into their relational problems, and it seems like their relationships are often built around addressing these problems rather than enjoying life together. The fact that it takes so much time and energy points to something being a little off. Monogamous relating also takes energy but it usually seems less self-referential; they’re more often helping each other face and engage the world, rather than face and engage each other and their relationship.
      • potential counterpoint: You’re making a developmental point Jordan, not a mono/poly point. Most people practice poly from a Red ego-centric POV; most people practice sex from Red as well. If you practice from a genuine Green+ polyamory, this doesn’t happen.
    • Point: Humans are largely monogamous; it’s instinctual
      • Counterpoint: How would we know if its cultural versus biological versus systemic versus psychological per person/family? it only takes a couple of generations of evolution to make massive physical changes, so even if it is biological, how could we know what’s possible for the future?
      • Counterpoint: people wanna fuck, especially dudes
      • Cheating, mistresses, polygamy, Sex at Dawn etc…
    • Point: Many poly people avoid endings, boundaries, standards, and facing their own karma by just jumping from relationships to relationship. Sure monogamous people do too, but many of them end up getting married and that crucible forces them to face their stuff. Far fewer poly people get married, and when they do they can still use other relationships to avoid their shit
      • Counterpoint: we can use absolutely everything to avoid our shit.

    there’s tons more, just want to get the convo started…

    dara_like_saraSA•...
    I agree that neither polyamory nor monogamy is necessarily "more evolved" than the other. The more evolved aspect is how someone shows up in their connections. Either structure is subject to unconscious motivators and societal conditioning....
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  • jordan avatar

    Your parents are massively successful if you are more evolved/mature than they are. I hope Jack and Cecilia surpass me in emotional intelligence, wellness, rationality.

    I hope I’m humble enough to recognize it, but I hope they’re more developed even if I can’t and it feels painful to me.

    jordanSA•...
    Thanks, I don’t imagine I’ll create guilt-free, but hopefully more guilt-flexible :) I think what I mean by that is that is I don’t expect to be perfect, by any means I don’t expect that the guilt-induction is on parents or families alone (I imagine it’s society and also...
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  • jordan avatar
    who votes for Trump from a higher level of development on the integral scale? A friend of mine recently shared why he'd vote for trump (if he were voting in the USA) from what I'd say is a Teal or beyond point of view: Trump is a better transformational catalyst. If Harris wins, we as a society will go more back to sleep, and the overall consciousness and well-being of the world will go down.
    Whether or not you agree, this is a good example of a "why" to vote for Trump that's unique, oriented toward the evolution of consciousness.
    renee•...
    I like this and it is a longterm view benefit. It’s going backwards to get the gold down the line. And we could make a case for do we see evidence for that already since he was in office 4 years? What got better for humanity as a result of that?...
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  • jordan avatar

    COVID Vaccines: is the cure is worse than the disease (these days)? I don’t get COVID vaccines anymore. I did the first round while we were still in lockdown.

    I stand by the choice to get vaccinated then. We didn’t know what was happening, lots of people were dying, good statistics were hard to come by (good interpretations even harder), and the virus hadn’t mutated yet.

    It wasn’t great for me: two shots separated by a month; 5.5 days after the first I got shingles (apparently thousands of other people also got at that exact time) and then after the 2nd I was sicker than I’ve almost ever been. It lasted about 2.5 days and then was VOOM instantly cleared up. It was weird and felt unnatural. But perhaps when I later got COVID, it would have been WAY worse, without having gotten the vaccine.

    Now, I don’t believe it’s worth it. The experience of having COVID is way less. It’s less deadly. There’s not a chance of herd immunity. And I’ve got friends who have awful long COVID from the vaccine. I haven’t done all the research, and anyone who’s tried to tell me about the research has seemed stilted to one side or another that had me take their interpretations with a huge grain of salt.

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    I believe our leadership will be wwaaaay better and way more trustable if we can admit our mistakes and change course as soon as necessary I feel like Trump knew he made a mistake by not addressing Covid with more concern… especially after seeing good friends die, but, to save...
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