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Daily Alchemy: Can we make this controversy good?

17d ago

“Was SCOTUS justified in its recent conversion therapy ruling?”

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    The Open Question April 22: Who decides what's good for the planet? Hey y'all!

    It's Earth Day, and I started to ask "what's our role in the health of the planet?"; but "Health" smuggles in a telos the planet doesn't have; not to mention assumptions about us, the planet, morality, etc. The Great Oxygenation Event was a mass extinction from the perspective of everything then alive, and the best thing that ever happened from the perspective of us now. Five more mass extinctions since. There is no view from nowhere on what's good for Earth.

    So a question I find more provocative and meaningful: Who decides what's good for the planet? eg:

    • Is environmentalism helping, or making things worse (and according to whom, measured against what baseline)?
    • Should we engineer the climate? Who holds the thermostat?
    • Is having children an environmental harm, a necessity (for solutions, or for their own sake), neither, both?
    • Does individual action matter, or is it a corporate distraction?
    • Who pays for climate adaptation? eg: carbon caps can lock Haitians out of development; "loss and damage" can lock Western voters out of their economies. Whose development, whose sacrifice?

    Every answer presupposes an answerer. That's a part we usually skip, but here let's name it and let our differences make us wiser. 

    Lots of love, and see (some of) you at 2p central.

    Jordan
    (UpTrust CEO)

    #openquestion 

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    psychology · 2.5
    I wholeheartedly agree we need to become a more mature species; especially the kind of intelligence that can empathize, love, sacrifice, and has wisdom. I dont think cognitive intelligence alone can do the trick (which i think may be extremely relevant to AI)....
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    Introduce yourself (and say hi to others). What are you passionate about? Who do you love? What fires you up? What are some questions you don't know how to answer? What projects are you working on?

    And if you like sharing the stuff like where are you from, and what do you do, and how many kids you have, we'd love to know that too!

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    psychology · 2.5

    Hey Debra nice to meet you. I agree there's way more common ground than most of us realize. 

    What are some of things you imagine being human rights in a better future, that aren't yet?

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    Who has the right to the land in Israel-Palestine?: The Story. Fifty-six percent for one-third of the population

    714,000. That is the number of Israeli settlers living in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as of 2024. It was 110,000 at Oslo in 1993. It was 250,000 at Camp David in 2000. The number has grown at roughly five percent per year, through left-wing and right-wing governments, during negotiations and during wars. Apply it forward ten years and you reach a million settlers in territory that is supposed to become a Palestinian state.

    October 7, 2023, stripped whatever remained of the abstraction. Hamas fighters killed roughly 1,200 Israelis in a single morning. Israel’s military response killed over 40,000 Palestinians in Gaza, displaced nearly the entire population of 2.3 million, and produced satellite imagery that suggested something happened to the urban grid itself. The International Court of Justice found it plausible that genocide was occurring. The word entered the legal record and changed nothing on the ground.

    The claims underneath

    Jewish connection to the land is archaeological, scriptural, and continuous. Palestinian families hold deeds to properties inside Israel’s 1948 borders. Some still have the keys. The Nakba displaced roughly 700,000 people; their descendants number over five million, living in camps that have outlasted most UN member states. The biggest problem is that each side’s narrative requires the other’s to be illegitimate.

    Since 1967, over 700,000 settlers have moved across the Green Line, connected by bypass roads that fragment Palestinian territory into an archipelago. Israeli settlers live under civil law. Their Palestinian neighbors live under military law. How you classify that arrangement is where Israeli security, Palestinian rights, binationalists, and one-state realists diverge so sharply they sometimes seem to be describing four different countries.

    The demographic tiebreaker

    Both major American candidates ran as pro-war, which means the external actor with the most leverage has opted out. Between the river and the sea, the Palestinian population is growing faster. By most projections, Jews will be a minority within the territory Israel controls by the early 2030s. The one-state realists have been pointing at this graph for twenty years. The other three perspectives are arguing about a map the birth rates have already redrawn.


    Perspectives:
    - Israeli security
    - Palestinian rights
    - Binationalists
    - One-state realists

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    Lesakisses•...
    beekeeping · 0.4

    No one has the right to any land we did not create it we were just allowed to be here on it.

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    The Open Question April 8: How do you determine what something's worth? Hey y'all!

    This week's open question: How do you determine what something's worth?

    SpaceX is targeting a valuation of $1.75 trillion. Bhutan measures success by happiness instead of GDP. Close friends of mine are weighing career ambitions against time with their kids... all of this has me want to think more deeply about how we determine value, and how we as individual people relate to the increasingly diverse and surprising answers to these questions.

    • Is it purely subjective? cultural? objective? Something else?
    • How much of your psychological need to feel worthwhile do you project out onto the world in the form of desire or judgement of valuations?
    • How do you choose how to spend your free time? (and what does this reveal about what you determine is worthy?)
    • Are markets intelligent? There's that famous line "In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine."
    • What's the most important thing in your life that you'd have a hard time putting a price on? (Are you offended if others put a price on it?)
    • What does a great society look like that can hold different definitions to this together, while still being coherent?

    Love to hear y'all's thoughts

    #openquestion 

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    From my perspective, worth isn't an inherent property of a thing. It is a relationship between three elements: reality, capacity, and direction. Something is worth what it enables in the direction you have chosen, relative to the reality you are actually in. Start with reality....
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    The Open Question April 8: How do you determine what something's worth? Hey y'all!

    This week's open question: How do you determine what something's worth?

    SpaceX is targeting a valuation of $1.75 trillion. Bhutan measures success by happiness instead of GDP. Close friends of mine are weighing career ambitions against time with their kids... all of this has me want to think more deeply about how we determine value, and how we as individual people relate to the increasingly diverse and surprising answers to these questions.

    • Is it purely subjective? cultural? objective? Something else?
    • How much of your psychological need to feel worthwhile do you project out onto the world in the form of desire or judgement of valuations?
    • How do you choose how to spend your free time? (and what does this reveal about what you determine is worthy?)
    • Are markets intelligent? There's that famous line "In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine."
    • What's the most important thing in your life that you'd have a hard time putting a price on? (Are you offended if others put a price on it?)
    • What does a great society look like that can hold different definitions to this together, while still being coherent?

    Love to hear y'all's thoughts

    #openquestion 

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    Terry387•...
    international relations · 1.1

    I am not against capitalism but sharing one's excessive wealth in helping the least fortunate brings good karma. When donating money, do it privately and away from public scrunity. 

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    psychology · 2.5

    on the inevitability of ai voting advisors

    I just realized something weird and inevitable: each of our personally trained AIs evaluating political candidates and advising us on who to vote for based on our stated preferences and values.  what does this mean?...
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    Is moral progress real?: The Story. The arc bent, and then it bent back

    In 1807, the British Parliament passed the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act. William Wilberforce wept in the gallery. Two centuries of moral argument, Quaker petitions, and one massively effective consumer boycott of slave-grown sugar had produced what looked, from the inside, like the most dramatic ethical advance in history.

    The Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery except as a punishment for crime. By 1900, convict leasing had rebuilt the plantation economy inside the prison system. By 2020, the United States incarcerated more people per capita than any nation on earth — disproportionately Black, disproportionately from the same counties where slavery had been most concentrated. The arc of the moral universe bent, and then it bent back.

    Two libraries, one timeline

    Steven Pinker dropped eight hundred pages showing violence declining across every axis — war deaths, homicide, torture. The numbers are not seriously disputed. The progress realists hold them like a shield.

    A civil rights lawyer in Alabama reads the same timeline and sees a different mechanism. The power analysts track what happens after each victory: slavery becomes convict leasing becomes mass incarceration. The vote is extended and then gerrymandered into irrelevance. Progress, in this reading, is a story the winners tell while the system reorganizes.

    The prior question

    Both camps assume they know what morality is. The moral realists hold that cruelty is wrong the way arsenic is poisonous — independent of belief. If true, progress toward recognizing moral facts is possible the way progress in chemistry is possible.

    The dialecticians hold all three frames simultaneously. The Enlightenment produced the Declaration of Rights and the Terror. The same liberalism that abolished slavery built the machinery that made colonialism profitable. Whether that entanglement is a bug in the arc or the arc itself is the question none of the camps can answer from inside their own frame.

    The empirical crux: democracy counts have plateaued since 2006. If they resume climbing by 2035, the progress realists gain ground. If they stall while authoritarian states outperform on stability, the power analysts have the sharper question: progress for whom?


    Perspectives:
    - Progress realists
    - Power analysts
    - Moral realists
    - Dialecticians

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    Jack Burke•...
    If moral is defined as a set of good or bad actions or any other binary judgement system, then it can be shown by measuring the amount of actions falling in those two buckets and once measured progress or regress can be shown....
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    Is climate change a science problem, an economics problem, a moral problem, or something else?: Moral emergency

    One-third of Pakistan In 2022, flooding submerged one-third of Pakistan. Thirty-three million displaced. Over 1,700 dead. Pakistan contributes less than 1 percent of global emissions. The nations most responsible sent aid packages. The aid was a fraction of the damage....
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    Is moral progress real?: Moral realists

    The assertion nobody can ground In 1945, the Allies liberated Auschwitz. Within three years, the UN adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights — premised on a claim so ambitious it is easy to miss: human dignity is inherent and universal. Not granted by states....
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    AMA with Ali Beiner. Wednesday 2/4 at 11:00 AM CT

    Kainos host Alexander Beiner exploring cultural sensemaking around psychedelics, popular culture, philosophy, psychology, alternative economics, and spirituality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IlAi-r2kZk
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    hmmm I don't see anger and love as opposing one another. they seems to be able to both exist simultaneously and motivate one another. both can drive actions that have moral/ethical implications that are either good or bad....
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    How should we judge wartime atrocities?: Absolute moralists

    Sadako Sadako Sasaki was two years old on August 6, 1945, living about a mile from the hypocenter. She survived the blast. Ten years later she developed leukemia. She folded paper cranes in her hospital bed — a thousand, she believed, and she would be healed. She died at twelve....
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    Is tradition a resource, a trap, or something else?: Catholic Social Teaching

    Critical retrieval In 1879, Leo XIII commanded the entire Church to go back to Thomas Aquinas. Not to repeat him — to think with him, then think past him....
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    Is tradition a resource, a trap, or something else?: Progressives

    The grandmother’s hands On a September morning in 1994, a nine-year-old girl in rural Yunnan had her feet bound by her grandmother. The grandmother soaked strips of cloth in warm water, folded the girl’s four smaller toes under each foot, and wrapped them so tightly the bones...
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    Wisdom Is Taboo — And Why That Matters Now. https://livingartswisdom.substack.com/p/wisdom-is-taboo-and-why-that-matters

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    Wisdom, as one of the four Stoic virtues, is (I believe) the most important virtue. The others, Courage, Justice and Temperance (or Self Discipline) all need Wisdom to be used soundly....
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    Neither King Nor Mob. INTRODUCTION 
    Neither King Nor Mob
    I first encountered American politics as an argument, not a spectacle.
    At fifteen, I read The Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist responses. I didn’t know then that I was being inducted into the oldest debate in the republic: whether liberty dies from chaos or from control. Hamilton feared disorder. Brutus feared tyranny. Both feared human nature. Both were right.
    What struck me even then was not how different they were, but how similar. Each side believed the other would destroy the nation. Each side spoke in moral urgency. Each side thought compromise was dangerous. Two hundred and fifty years later, we use better microphones, but we say the same things.
    My parents were Democrats who became Reagan voters after Jimmy Carter. My mother listened to Rush Limbaugh in the kitchen. I later became a libertarian, joined the Free State Project, and eventually drifted into what I now call the “leave me alone” branch of political thought. I voted for Republicans, Libertarians, and once, reluctantly, for Donald Trump—whom I disliked even as I marked the ballot.
    That list of votes is not a contradiction. It is a record of a citizen trying to preserve a principle while the language of politics kept changing around him.
    This book is not an argument for a party. It is an argument for a way of thinking that once defined American political life and now seems almost extinct: the belief that law should be neutral, power should be limited, speech should be free, and citizens should be treated as adults rather than moral projects.
    The Permanent Emergency
    Every generation believes it is living through the most dangerous moment in history. This is not arrogance; it is biology. Fear sharpens memory. Crisis simplifies stories. When politics becomes a permanent emergency, nuance becomes treason and doubt becomes cowardice.
    Today, we are told that everything is existential: elections, words, borders, opinions, even jokes. The left warns of fascism. The right warns of invasion. Both claim moral necessity. Both demand loyalty. Both insist that the rules must bend for the sake of survival.
    This is not new. Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Woodrow Wilson jailed dissenters. Franklin Roosevelt interned citizens. George W. Bush built a surveillance state. Barack Obama expanded it. Donald Trump personalized power. Joe Biden moralized bureaucracy.
    Different faces. Same logic: the crisis justifies the exception.
    The founders anticipated this. James Madison warned that faction would be the greatest threat to liberty—not foreign enemies, but domestic certainty. A faction, he wrote, is any group “united and actuated by some common impulse of passion…adverse to the rights of other citizens.”
    In other words, when politics becomes about moral identity instead of shared rules, liberty becomes collateral damage.
    Immigration as a Moral Battlefield
    Few issues reveal this transformation more clearly than immigration.
    Once, it was a policy debate: how many, how fast, under what rules. Now it is a moral theater. One side speaks only of compassion. The other speaks only of threat. The human being disappears into the symbol.
    In this new language, even legal categories become taboo. The phrase “criminal alien” is treated as a slur rather than a legal description. Enforcement becomes cruelty. Mercy becomes lawlessness. Every position is interpreted as hatred or betrayal.
    Yet some of the most uncomfortable voices in this debate come not from native-born Americans, but from Black immigrants who followed the rules, waited years, and sacrificed to enter legally. They do not oppose immigration. They oppose erasing the meaning of legality. They ask a simple question: What was the point of doing it right?
    That question cannot be answered with slogans. It requires a political philosophy capable of holding two truths at once: human dignity and rule of law. We once had such a language. We lost it.
    Outrage as Industry
    Modern politics does not merely exploit fear. It depends on it.
    Rush Limbaugh pioneered the monetization of outrage. Cable news refined it. Social media perfected it. Algorithms learned that anger travels farther than reason and loyalty lasts longer than curiosity. Today, political conflict is not a failure of the system; it is the system.
    Both parties need enemies. Both need emergencies. Both need moral absolutes. A calm citizen is a bad customer.
    This is why moderation feels invisible. The middle has no merchandise. There is no market for “I’m uncertain.” There is no applause for “both sides might be wrong.” Tribalism pays better than thinking.
    What emerges is a politics that looks religious: saints and sinners, heresy and orthodoxy, excommunication and conversion narratives. We no longer argue to persuade. We argue to signal belonging.
    The Orphaned Philosophy
    Classical liberalism—once the dominant American instinct—has become politically homeless.
    It believed:
    The law should be impersonal.
    Power should be restrained.
    Speech should be free.
    Citizens should be responsible.
    The state should be limited.
    Differences should be tolerated.
    This philosophy is now attacked from both directions. The right distrusts liberty when it threatens order. The left distrusts liberty when it threatens justice. Both distrust neutrality. Both believe power must be wielded for moral ends.
    The “leave me alone” citizen is therefore suspect to all tribes. He is accused of indifference when he is actually defending boundaries: between state and citizen, between law and emotion, between disagreement and evil.
    How to Stay Sane Without a Tribe
    This book is not a manifesto. It is a diagnosis and a survival guide.
    It explores:
    Why “leave me alone” keeps resurfacing in history.
    How immigration became a moral war instead of a policy question.
    Why outrage now fuels both parties.
    How a citizen can remain humane, rational, and free in a culture that rewards hysteria.
    It does not pretend neutrality is easy. It is not. Independence is lonely. Skepticism is tiring. But it is the only posture that preserves both liberty and decency.
    To reject the mob is not to reject morality. It is to insist that morality must be lived by individuals, not enforced by crusades.
    Neither King Nor Mob
    The American experiment was never about perfection. It was about restraint: restraining rulers, restraining majorities, restraining certainty itself.
    We are now tempted by two ancient solutions:
    The strongman who promises order.
    The crowd who promises righteousness.
    Both destroy liberty in different ways.
    This book argues for a third path: the old one. The path of law over passion, humility over certainty, and liberty over fear. Not because it is fashionable, but because it is necessary.
    I do not trust mobs.
    I do not trust kings.
    I trust rules, neighbors, and the quiet dignity of being left alone.
    That faith is not radical. It is American.

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    In so many ways, everyone believes their belief is THE belief; everyone wants their belief to be THE belief. With no allowance for in between, it might look like there is no hope - the battles will go on, but no one will ever win the war....
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    No other choice. If it is indeed wrong to say out loud that I do not trust Jews anymore, then that will just have to be something I learn to live with like I do genocide, ethnic cleansing, pedophilia and the deliberate murder of world central kitchen and other aid workers. Israel is a savage and degenerate ally, a child killing lying thieving nation state , a menace to all of humanity and friend to no one...Especially Americans!

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    IsBix•...
    To call an entire group of people 'rabid' sounds exactly like the comments the racists made about African Americans. In a literal sense it is just a lie. Which means you are choosing it to be insulting and derogatory. Which is shameful and disgusting....
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    A Sketch of Moral Realism

    A friend of mine is an emotivist while I am a moral realist. When talking with him I often make arguments of the following form, and I'm curious how other emotivists, moral relativists, or indeed other moral realists would respond....
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    Bill Green•...
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    No other choice.

    If it is indeed wrong to say out loud that I do not trust Jews anymore, then that will just have to be something I learn to live with like I do genocide, ethnic cleansing, pedophilia and the deliberate murder of world central kitchen and other aid workers....
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    Engage or Enrage. It is likely that we have family members or friends that we differ with greatly when it comes to politics, healthcare, etc.  I am no different.  When the inevitable hot topic arises, do you recommend flight or fight, engage or enrage?  How do you respond when this occurs?

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    FrankieBoy•...
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    I am a believer in the Beatitudes.  If we all followed them, the world would be a safer, happier place

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    Great charts on polarization and echo-chambers in the USA. Six-Chart Sunday – Where You Sit Is Where You Stand - by some guy named Bruce Mehlman on Substack

    • 90% of Republicans approved of President Trump’s job performance mid-April (~85 days in), tied for the highest own party approval at this point in the term per Hart Research. 
    • Much partisan difference in approval of / confidence in presidents results from getting news from different sources
    • We wildly mis-estimate the views of those in the other party. As a result of partisan media, online echo-chambers, and demagogic politicians in both parties, we have very inaccurate understandings of the viewpoints of those on the other side. 
    https://brucemehlman.substack.com/p/six-chart-sunday-where-you-sit-is
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    psychology · 2.5
    I don't get what you mean about shouting echo chamber? I think the charts are pointing out that the two sides are often less extreme than the other thinks; for example most republicans aren't homophobic, racist, etc; just like most democrats dont want to murder billionaires and...
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