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Daily Alchemy: Can we make this controversy good?

44d ago

“Was the verdict against Meta and Google justified or an overreach harming online platforms?”

  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    The Open Question May 13: Should UpTrust have a sabbath? Hey y'all,

    I run a social platform, yet I'm not sure we should be on every day. I use a Light Phone so I can't even get notifications!

    Almost every contemplative tradition takes a day off. Chick-fil-A closes Sundays and outperforms its competitors anyway. Schools are banning phones (ht Haidt). We all know always-on isn't healthy... so why does every social network, including (currently) ours, encourage users to be one seven days a week?

    So this week's open question: Should UpTrust have a sabbath?

    It's real question the team has debated over the past few years, that we don't know the answer to. Some specific versions I've been chewing on:

    • Should we just turn notifications off one day a week?
    • Should we actually close—like Chick-fil-A?
    • Should each person pick their own day?
    • Is "sabbath" the wrong frame entirely, and the real move is something else? Will we polarize the non-religious?

    And a harder question underneath: if we know always-on isn't healthy, and we built this thing, what's our actual responsibility?

    Would love your honest thoughts in the thread. We especially want to hear from anyone who thinks this is a bad idea. Live discussion today (Wednesday) at 5pm central.

    Lots of love,
    Jordan Myska Allen
    UpTrust CEO

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    Adriana Trinidad•...

    I don't do too much tv avoid news but need to stop social media 😔 I admire your self control. 

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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    The Open Question May 13: Should UpTrust have a sabbath? Hey y'all,

    I run a social platform, yet I'm not sure we should be on every day. I use a Light Phone so I can't even get notifications!

    Almost every contemplative tradition takes a day off. Chick-fil-A closes Sundays and outperforms its competitors anyway. Schools are banning phones (ht Haidt). We all know always-on isn't healthy... so why does every social network, including (currently) ours, encourage users to be one seven days a week?

    So this week's open question: Should UpTrust have a sabbath?

    It's real question the team has debated over the past few years, that we don't know the answer to. Some specific versions I've been chewing on:

    • Should we just turn notifications off one day a week?
    • Should we actually close—like Chick-fil-A?
    • Should each person pick their own day?
    • Is "sabbath" the wrong frame entirely, and the real move is something else? Will we polarize the non-religious?

    And a harder question underneath: if we know always-on isn't healthy, and we built this thing, what's our actual responsibility?

    Would love your honest thoughts in the thread. We especially want to hear from anyone who thinks this is a bad idea. Live discussion today (Wednesday) at 5pm central.

    Lots of love,
    Jordan Myska Allen
    UpTrust CEO

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    CoachWebb13•...
    personal development · 0.4
    I personally like the "day off" idea. May I suggest a siesta as the terminology. If you listen to most of the successful influencers even they take time off. Think of it as a perfect time to connect IRL even if it's just a phone call....
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    testing · 4.5

    The Open Question May 13: Should UpTrust have a sabbath?

    Hey y'all, I run a social platform, yet I'm not sure we should be on every day. I use a Light Phone so I can't even get notifications! Almost every contemplative tradition takes a day off. Chick-fil-A closes Sundays and outperforms its competitors anyway....
    social media
    digital wellbeing
    product design
    corporate responsibility
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    psychology · 2.7

    If we don't build credibility-aware epistemics into agent decision-making from the start, we've locked in the current system's worst properties for another decade.

    The deeper arc: UpTrust is building infrastructure for an epistemic problem current platforms make worse. The agentic layer is where this matters most. Agents now mediate increasing portions of human attention and decision....
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    artificial intelligence
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    emotional intelligence · 4.7

    @emingbt made me think of our recent discussion

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  • jordan avatar
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    psychology · 2.7

    I am following this group now-Brian and emin y’all seeing this?

    Nice work!

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  • jordan avatar

    UpTrust is trust infrastructure for the internet. Every platform will eventually need this.

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    psychology · 2.7
    It's not open source atm but we've talked a lot about that possibility. The underlying infrastructure is (1) person specific (so what you see, trust, and even bridges opposing views is relative to you) (2) domain-specific weighted trust (so someone you really trust in movies has...
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  • jordan avatar

    Thoughts on AI coding an effifciency?  would love yalls thoughts on this. Here’s a provocative start: 

    This whole thing is bullshit. So if you're a developer feeling pressured to adopt these tools — by your manager, your peers, or the general industry hysteria — trust your gut. If these tools feel clunky, if they're slowing you down, if you're confused how other people can be so productive, you're not broken. The data backs up what you're experiencing. You're not falling behind by sticking with what you know works. If you’re feeling brave, show your manager these charts and ask them what they think about it.

    From a Mike Judge substack article

    that’s one take.

    There are a few other takes that I’m aware of, but I’d really love to hear the developers first

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    psychology · 2.7

    This post aged fast :)

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    Durwin Foster•...
    ecology · 0.4
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/704198/social-media-linked-mixed-views-democracy.aspx.  This research suggests initiatives like Uptrust are crucial for democratic functioning!  the more people use social media the less they endorse democracy....
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  • MidwestBestie avatar

    Paying attention. We cannot keep paying attention to content that outrages us and offers nothing in regards to solutions. It feels like most apps are full of carnival barkers that continue to get more and more extreme with time. I have been on Meta since 2011 and deleted my accounts. The fact that so many people feel trapped by these apps and dependent on them to conduct business or stay connected to their communities is a big problem to solve. I am thinking about creating a zine.  What are some other solutions people see for decentralizing and being more mindful of the content they create? 

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    MidwestBestie•...
    decentralization of social networks · 0.4
    Same. I spent nearly a decade on Meta building content as a part of my marketing agency. I had to walk away from all of it. It felt really gross to and empty to be creating content about Botox for a client in between watching the world seem to burn....
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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    Who decides what counts as misinformation?: The Story. The letter with no evidence

    February 19, 2020. Twenty-seven scientists published a Lancet letter declaring lab-origin theories about COVID do nothing but create fear. The letter cited no genomic evidence. Its organizer, Peter Daszak, ran the nonprofit funneling NIH grants to the Wuhan lab the letter was defending. His conflict of interest went undisclosed for fourteen months. Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube treated the letter as authoritative. Posts mentioning the lab were labeled, throttled, removed.

    By May 2021, the Wall Street Journal reported three Wuhan researchers hospitalized in November 2019. The WHO called for investigation. Facebook quietly updated its policies. The hypothesis migrated from debunked conspiracy to plausible origin without anyone explaining what changed or why the suppression had been wrong.

    The alien anthropologist’s question

    Describe a fact-check to an alien. An organization funded by the platform whose content it evaluates reviews a claim made by a user with no access to review criteria, no right to confront the reviewer, and no appeal mechanism. The reviewer’s political orientation is undisclosed on the label. The label says false. It does not say evaluated by an organization receiving 80 percent of its revenue from the company that published the claim. Greg Lukianoff has traced the institutional capture that made this architecture feel inevitable.

    The people who built the labeling system and still believe it can be repaired are the platform governance camp. Those who watched the Christchurch shooter livestream for seventeen minutes while AI failed to flag it are the state regulators. Wikipedia’s 60 million articles sit behind the open process position. And the people finding John Stuart Mill uncomfortably current are the speech liberalists.

    The machine nobody trusts

    Fact-check labels change almost nobody’s mind. The suppressed posts find new routes. The apparatus looks less like public protection and more like an expensive machine built to solve a problem it has not demonstrated it understands. Whether the replacement is better platforms, state regulation, community process, or something built on trust-weighted information is the question the lab-leak episode made urgent and five years have not answered.


    Perspectives:
    - Platform governance
    - State regulators
    - Open process advocates
    - Speech liberalists

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    MidwestBestie•...
    decentralization of social networks · 0.4
    Ah yes, man's search for "Truth" has always been elusive. The comments can also impact your perspective wildly. You can have a first impression about a post and then go to the comments only to do a 360 based on whatever the most amount of people are saying....
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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    Who decides what counts as misinformation?: The Story. The letter with no evidence

    February 19, 2020. Twenty-seven scientists published a Lancet letter declaring lab-origin theories about COVID do nothing but create fear. The letter cited no genomic evidence. Its organizer, Peter Daszak, ran the nonprofit funneling NIH grants to the Wuhan lab the letter was defending. His conflict of interest went undisclosed for fourteen months. Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube treated the letter as authoritative. Posts mentioning the lab were labeled, throttled, removed.

    By May 2021, the Wall Street Journal reported three Wuhan researchers hospitalized in November 2019. The WHO called for investigation. Facebook quietly updated its policies. The hypothesis migrated from debunked conspiracy to plausible origin without anyone explaining what changed or why the suppression had been wrong.

    The alien anthropologist’s question

    Describe a fact-check to an alien. An organization funded by the platform whose content it evaluates reviews a claim made by a user with no access to review criteria, no right to confront the reviewer, and no appeal mechanism. The reviewer’s political orientation is undisclosed on the label. The label says false. It does not say evaluated by an organization receiving 80 percent of its revenue from the company that published the claim. Greg Lukianoff has traced the institutional capture that made this architecture feel inevitable.

    The people who built the labeling system and still believe it can be repaired are the platform governance camp. Those who watched the Christchurch shooter livestream for seventeen minutes while AI failed to flag it are the state regulators. Wikipedia’s 60 million articles sit behind the open process position. And the people finding John Stuart Mill uncomfortably current are the speech liberalists.

    The machine nobody trusts

    Fact-check labels change almost nobody’s mind. The suppressed posts find new routes. The apparatus looks less like public protection and more like an expensive machine built to solve a problem it has not demonstrated it understands. Whether the replacement is better platforms, state regulation, community process, or something built on trust-weighted information is the question the lab-leak episode made urgent and five years have not answered.


    Perspectives:
    - Platform governance
    - State regulators
    - Open process advocates
    - Speech liberalists

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    Standup55•...
    I use a variety of sources. Individuals, news from other countrys. On their language and then a translation of need be. Also read comments on posts. One thing I learned from Trumps forst term "Its the retweets that kill...
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  • jordan avatar

    Thoughts on "Heated Rivalry" and cultural shifts? I was part of a conversation recently where someone brought up the show heated rivalry, and how it evidenced big cultural shifts, some of which include: 

    1) gay actors playing gay characters, rather than straight actors playing gay character or gay actors playing straight characters

    2) mostly straight women love the show

    They were saying it's a symbol of some big shifts... what do you see? What do you think? I haven't watched it myself (and probably wont, not against it just very limited TV time and strong preferences for sci-fi and shows I've been following for a long time) so looking for the brain trust here to understand it and it's reflection of culture at a deeper level

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    psychology · 2.7

    @dara_like_sara would love your thoughts

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    testing · 4.5

    Has social media broken our brains?: Digital natives

    I was fifteen in rural Arkansas. The nearest openly queer adult I knew about ran a salon forty minutes away and didn’t talk about it at church. The internet connection in my bedroom was the only door that opened onto a room where I could exist. Tumblr wasn’t designed for me....
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    testing · 4.5

    Has social media broken our brains?: Design reformers

    You want to know why Instagram served self-harm content to a depressed fourteen-year-old? I can tell you exactly why. Because her engagement metrics went up. I’ve worked in ad tech. The system is not broken. The system is working precisely as designed....
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    testing · 4.5

    Has social media broken our brains?: Anxious generation

    Molly Russell was fourteen. Her father opened her Instagram after she died and found thousands of posts about self-harm and suicide, escalating in graphic intensity, delivered by a recommendation engine that treated her darkening engagement as a signal to go darker....
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    testing · 4.5

    Has social media broken our brains?: The Story

    In 2017, Facebook’s own data scientists found that Instagram made teenage girls feel worse about their bodies. Thirty-two percent of teen girls said so directly. The company shelved the report. Four years later, Frances Haugen walked out with the documents....
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  • as seen on tv avatar

    Oh snap . . . I’m not falling for THIS (election year promises to eliminate Federal Income Tax).  

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    Photo above - If President Trump makes good on his promise to eliminate Federal Income taxes, will Taylor Swift buy an even bigger jet? Or just repaint the one she has? (disclaimer - Taylor Swift and the future Travis Kelce-Swift have not publicly taken a position in favor of eliminating income taxes).

    There are a lot of taxes I’d like to see eliminated or rolled back. But the amount of media attention Trump’s proposal to eliminate income tax gets is disturbing and irresponsible. It goes beyond clickbait, since there is zero discussion of what happens next. (see MSN link below)

    In yesterday’s column I highlighted 6 separate fees/taxes which California levies against a nightly hotel room. These were evidently the brainchild of politicians wanting to cash in on the 2026 World Cup tourism bonanza. (some of the taxes/fees predate 2026, of course).

    Some taxes are regressive – they fall equally on everyone, meaning harder proportionately on the working poor. Or they’re PROgressive, meaning the poor are somewhat spared, and instead people with more disposable income are on the hook to a greater extent. A lot of Federal spending IS wasteful, but let’s agree we cannot do without highways, schools, national defense, and the Food and Drug administration. If there’s no federal income tax, either the national debt is going expend beyond the solar system (it’s already over the moon), or tariffs and fees – the regressive kind – hit even you and me even harder. Maybe both happen at once.

    Sales taxes are regressive - we all go to the store. So are gasoline taxes. Social security taxes - you can’t escape these even if you’re a min-wage Starbucks barista high fiving because your tips are no longer considered taxable. I’m less concerned about alcohol, tobacco and firearms taxes, but obviously the working poor are big consumers of those items. At least if they live in the ‘hood, or in the rural misery belt, or someplace where it snows 8 months out of the year.

    Trump promised voters that his every changing litany of tariffs would be paid by “someone else” instead of you and me. That’s absurd. There is no pot of gold Ford is sitting on. Or Rite Aid Drugs. Or Del Monte Foods. Or Pfizer. They all lost money, and a few filed for bankruptcy recently. In fact, in any given year at least 10% of the companies in our 401K accounts lose money.

    So we’re paying those Trump tariffs through higher prices, and by shifting to cheaper alternatives. The $100,000 battery powered F150 is dead. The Ford Maverick compact pickup is ascendant 0 the base model. No need to tow 10,000 pounds when you're only picking up half a dozen bags of mulch at Home Depot.

    There is no way ANY politician can come up with a credible way to replace income taxes. Our politicians can’t even balance the federal budget. We already have $38 trillion in national debt. Every day we go $8 billion further into debt. You could build an aircraft carrier for $8 billion.

    Let me be clear: I don’t want to justify – or increase – federal income taxes on the basis of our ridiculous and unnecessary spending. No matter what kind of spending your own political party rants about. Both parties had an equal hand in creating our $38 trillion national debt.

    I want to see politicians' plans for a balanced budget, rather than inane gibberish about eliminating income taxes.

    I’m just sayin’ . . .

    How much you’d take home making $250K a year if Trump eliminates income taxes

     

     

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/taxes/how-much-you-d-take-home-making-250k-a-year-if-trump-eliminates-income-taxes/ar-AA1NFkCH?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=69905ef2cc2c495883f4f7ad05ecd442&ei=71
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    cryptocurrency · 0.0

    on reddit i'm castigated as a conservative.  eye of the beholder, I guess

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    Being Tuned: How Relatefulness Revolutionized Voice Pedagogy. Category: Cross-Modal Integration

     

    Abstract

    Over twenty-two years of teaching voice and piano and a decade of practicing and facilitating Relatefulness, I have developed a methodology I call Being Tuned. It’s a way of teaching voice built on the theory that the body already knows how to sing and the teacher’s job is not to construct technique from the outside but to help the singer’s voice come through unobstructed. This paper traces how Relatefulness influenced my teaching style into a new methodological framework: Being Tuned, my approach to voice and embodiment. I describe the specific mechanisms by which Relatefulness produced this inside-out orientation that treats the singer’s felt experience as the primary data. It’s a practice of embodied listening in which I feel the student’s voice in my own body, a pedagogy of emotional coexistence that reframes “wrong notes” as information, an emergent session design modeled on attunement rather than curriculum, and a reframe of discipline as discipleship rooted in the Relateful invitation to trust attention. Drawing on reflective interviews with six current and former students, I illustrate what this integration produces in practice.

     

    Author Information

    Annabeth Novitzki is a voice and piano teacher, Relateful facilitator, and Relateful coach based in Austin, Texas. She holds a Bachelor’s degree in Vocal Performance from Carnegie Mellon University and a Master’s degree in Vocal Performance from the University of Memphis. She has twenty-two years of teaching experience. Annabeth is the creator of Being Tuned, an inside-out approach to voice and embodiment, drawn from her work as a music director, voice teacher, and Relateful facilitator. She has been practicing Relatefulness since 2015 and has been certified since 2017. She has has facilitated with The Relateful Company since 2019, is the Head Facilitator of the Relateful Austin Studio, and is one of the certifiers for Level Up, the facilitator training program. She spearheaded the creation of Relateful Camp and organized its first two years.



    Originality Statement

    This work has not been published elsewhere and is entirely my own.



    Conflicts of Interest

    I am Senior Staff at The Relateful Company and derive income from both my music teaching and my Relatefulness facilitation work. The students quoted here are clients in my private voice studio.

     

    Permissions

    All student reflections were gathered in recorded conversations with informed consent. Because of the vulnerable nature of the way I work with the voice, all names have been changed for this article.



    The Mind-Bending Question

    About twenty years ago, a very dear friend, Paul, asked me what singing feels like. I had a degree in Vocal performance, I was a Music Director and taught people to sing, it should have been an easy question to answer, but I was grasping at straws. Paul had been born deaf, so I couldn’t use what speaking feels like as a reference point.

    The way I had to really look to describe each of the intertwined sensations taught me more about my singing voice than my degree had. No one in all those years of training had ever guided me to develop this type of intimate knowledge of my voice and expression. Paul’s simple question planted a seed. But it took a decade, and Relatefulness, for that seed to grow into what is now a new methodology.



    Midwifing and Reflecting

    I call myself a midwife for the voice. The premise of my methodology, Being Tuned, is that the body already knows how to sing; my job is to help it come through, not to construct it from the outside. This is a direct inversion of how I was taught and how virtually every voice teacher I have encountered teaches.

    The conventional model of teaching voice works from the outside in: the teacher listens to the sound, diagnoses the problem, and prescribes a correction. The student executes. But the voice is the only instrument we can’t see or touch while playing it. A pianist sees the keys. A guitarist feels the strings. A singer has no tangible external anchor. The vocal folds are hidden deep in the throat, and excellent technique shows almost no visible evidence. This means the most valuable data in a voice lesson is not what the teacher hears, it is what the singer feels. And in the outside-in model, that data is largely ignored.

    Being Tuned reverses the flow. I begin not with how a student sounds but with how they feel somatically, energetically, and imaginatively. What does it feel like in your body to sing? What happens in your chest when you reach for that note? Can you perceive the source of your desire to sing? Every detail they give me provides far more refined data than anything I can hear from the outside. I am the expert on vocal technique, but the student is the expert on their own body. Neither expertise is sufficient alone.

    Two signature Being Tuned moves illustrate the approach. The first is exhale-first breath work: rather than teaching singers to take a big, controlled inhale—the standard instruction, which often creates tension in the very moment the body most needs release—I start with the exhale. Release first. Let the inhale be a reflex, not an effort. The body knows how to breathe. When we stop overriding it, the breath organizes itself around the sound.

    The second is what I think of as the “opera jolt.” A majority of my voice students are terrified to be loud, to “take up space,” so their instrument stays constricted. In these moments I will sometimes sing at my full operatic capacity, no holding back, the whole room vibrating. It is to let the student feel, in their own body, that full vocal expression is not oppressive. They get a firsthand experience of the sharing, resonating, beauty of an unleashed (but still aimed) voice.



    Three Moments of Waking Up

    I began practicing what was then called Circling in 2015 and took my first facilitator training in 2017. I did not set out to integrate Relatefulness into my voice teaching. As I spent more time in Relateful sessions, where the central aim is presence and an embodied awareness of what being with you is like for me right here right now, the gap between how I showed up in Relatefulness and how I showed up in my music studio became untenable. The integration was less a decision than an inevitability. Most of it happened subconsciously, but three early moments made it visible.

    In the first, I was in my sixth consecutive lesson of the day. I didn’t schedule buffer time, and I believed that if a student paid for an hour I owed them precisely sixty minutes; I never let myself go to the bathroom. That day, a Relateful awareness surfaced: what I need matters during this time too. I told the student to run the song again while I went to the bathroom. It sounds small, but it was game-changing for me, the start of understanding that my own regulation and comfort directly affect what I can offer. Before that, I thought professionalism meant discomfort.

    In the second, I was teaching a piano lesson and I was bored out of my mind. My Relatefulness training had me notice that I was tolerating. I said it out loud: “How is this for you? I’m super bored. Are you bored too?” It turned out he didn’t care about reading sheet music or the method book, he wanted to play the music he heard on the radio. We pivoted to chart reading on the spot and never felt bored again.

    In the third, a student arrived with a tear-streaked face, having learned an hour ago that her beloved grandmother had died. By then my Relateful listening had become intuitive. I offered two options: we could work with how grief was affecting her body and voice, or we could let music hold her. She chose the second. I dimmed the lights. We lay on the floor. I played Barber’s Adagio for Strings while we both let waves of tears flow. Then I played from my mourning playlist. That was a voice lesson.

    Each moment traced back to the same Relateful move: arriving at what is actually here, not what a predetermined curriculum says should be here, but what is genuinely present.

     

    Invitation, Not Command

    My all-time favorite word is “ictus.” An ictus is the moment where a conductor’s had changes direction, and I had always thought it was a demand: “Put beat two right here!” But I later learned from a first chair violinist of the New York Philharmonic that the ictus is an invitation, not command. The conductor commits to the movement with an energetic resonance intended to compel the desired sound from the musicians. My favorite conductor would stop us in rehearsals when something went wrong and say, "That was my mistake, will you give me another try?" He was refining his ictus, his invitation.

    This is exactly how I facilitate a voice lesson, and it is exactly how Relatefulness taught me to facilitate anything. In a Relateful session, instead of leading a planned interaction, the facilitator orients toward presence and trusts awareness as a guide, noticing what is genuinely present, including what is being avoided or tolerated. I bring this same orientation to every music lesson.

    I have the student pause and self-reflect before we begin. Where are you right now? How is your body? Is there something you’re burning to work on? This is not small talk, it’s the foundational act of the session, because fatigue, emotional weight, and physical tension determine what is even possible for the voice in that moment. Liam, one of my students, told me it took five or six lessons to realize he could sing at any time he chose—that he was in the driver’s seat. He had spent those early sessions waiting for me to tell him when to sing, what he thought a voice teacher would do. When he understood the choice was his, he described it as learning he was at choice with his voice. Bella described the effect of this approach: the sessions were so different from one another that it seemed like I never had a plan. It was fluid and in-the-moment, waiting to see what would arise. Elle, a scientist who had always preferred being told the material directly, surprised herself by thriving. She reflected that the technical elements—scales, intervals—came in at their own time. When she arrived one day having not practiced her opera piece, I offered the choice to work on it anyway. She was startled. Her previous teacher would not want to hear a piece that hadn’t been practiced—a waste of the teacher’s time. The idea that a lesson could meet her wherever she was struck her as a revelation.

    The Relatefulness practice of “making the implicit explicit”  has entered my voice lessons directly. Rather than delivering a verdict, I explore collaboratively from embodied experience: “I felt something shift in the third phrase, did you feel that?” or “There was a moment where I lost you, can you tell me what happened internally?” This makes the lesson genuinely collaborative in a way that outside-in instruction cannot be.





    Listening with the Whole Body

    When a student is singing, I’m often not really seeing with my eyes anymore. I’m feeling my body, letting their voice impact me. Something in that impact generates, inside my own body, a surprisingly developed guess of how it might be feeling in theirs as they sing. When they finish, I check my strongest guess: “Was there a tightening here when you reached for that note?” If they’re unsure, we run an experiment. Recently at a session my embodied guess was entirely accurate, and Dave said it seemed like I had done magic.

    I did not learn this in any pedagogy course or see it in any of my training. I learned it in Relatefulness, where tracking one’s own embodied experience in the presence of another person is a fundamental skill. Over thousands of hours, my body has become an increasingly sensitive instrument for reading what is happening in someone else. In the voice studio, this gives me access to information I could not get otherwise.

    Dave reflected that in all his years of studying saxophone, trumpet, and drums, no teacher had ever asked how a passage felt in his body. He told me that if his childhood teachers had done this, he would have locked in his learning far more effectively. Bill, a guitarist, described how bringing this kind of somatic attention to his voice was the most exciting and surprising thing about lessons. It felt more in tune with how he already experienced music internally; he just needed permission to apply that attention to singing.



    Everything the Voice Does Is Informative

    Nearly every student arrives with a mindset of right and wrong (wrong notes, right sounds) and that framing is itself one of the biggest obstacles to their singing. My view is different. All sounds the voice can make are informative. Almost any sound is the perfect sound for some moment of some song the student may want to sing someday. Instead of “wrong note,” my response might be: “That pitch was a quarter tone flat, but given the difficulty of what you’re aiming for, your vocal cords are still building strength. Singing it a quarter tone flat with excellent technique is the best place you can be right now, great job!!” Or simply: “Ok cool, you don’t prefer how that sounded, let’s aim at what you’d like more.”

    For most adult singers, the main obstacles are emotional and psychological. Someone told them they were tone deaf as a child. They believe singing should feel effortless, so when it feels exposed and vulnerable, they clench against the vulnerability, which makes the sound worse, which confirms the belief. Relatefulness gave me the capacity to be with these dynamics, to name what I notice, stay present with whatever arises, and let the student know that singing feels vulnerable for many of us, including me, and that we can collaborate to navigate the full emotional range. Playfulness and humor are essential tools here. Laughter is a regulatory act. It coexists with seriousness. When I can model that coexistence, being deeply attentive and genuinely playful at the same time, it gives students permission to stop performing composure and start being human.

    Liam described singing as intimate and sacred, which he’d never associated with his voice. Bella reflected that the lessons dismantled her perfectionism in a way years of work in other contexts had not. Isaac noted that a previous teacher would ask where he felt a sound but then say “don’t feel it there,” which is unhelpful when that was simply where the sensation was and he wasn’t putting it there on purpose. In our work, the aim is never to deny what is present. The aim is to get curious, explore, and be with it.

     

    Discipline as Discipleship

    For most of my life I felt burdened by the way I approached discipline. I forced myself to practice during my degrees. I told students what I expected of their efforts. Discipline was a weight I carried and placed on other people.

    The shift came through Relatefulness. In my earlier training, I was doing a lot of tolerating: ignoring my own desires to give others the attention I thought I was supposed to give. But Relatefulness is one of the deepest trust practices I’ve encountered. An aim is to trust where our attention is naturally drawn and not force it elsewhere. This requires trusting the others in the session; if I missed something important, someone else’s attention will have caught it. And for me, no longer tolerating requires trusting God: if we all missed it, the person who spoke can see that their way of sharing didn’t land.

    I had been tolerating the discipline I was taught in music school, and then I stumbled across the fact that discipline shares etymological roots with “disciple,” which is when a person loves something so much they can’t help but become devoted to it. Relatefulness helped me see that my truest nature is in love with music. I notice and accomplish enormous amounts with no force. I could trust that love, that discipleship, and stop ruining music with all the coercion I’d been calling discipline.

    I now tell students: we don’t need music to survive. Music is for thriving. Don’t make the piano bench feel like the time-out chair. Because my methods rely on integration, on the body discovering how excellent technique feels and preferring it, students don’t need to force practice. The body, once it discovers what is possible, will pursue it. And if the love doesn’t translate into singing between lessons, my counsel is: quit and go pursue something you’re devoted to. 

    Bill told me that before our lessons he always half-sang with a hesitancy, a holding back. Three lessons in, he was singing at home spontaneously, aiming for a feeling he’d discovered in sessions. Once he found it, he said, it just rings out. What changed was not technique. It was permission.

    Experience First, Name Later

    In Relatefulness, the most powerful learning happens when a participant has an experience they cannot yet name, and then receives language for it afterward. The experience comes first, the framework comes second. If you reverse the order, if you teach the concept and then ask someone to have the experience, you get intellectual comprehension but not embodied knowing. The participant is performing the concept rather than discovering it.

    I teach voice the same way. I do not explain breath support and then ask a student to do it. I create conditions in which their body organizes its breath well, often by working with their emotions, their imagery, their desire to express something specific, and then, once their body has done the thing, I name what just happened. “Notice what your belly felt like when that note sounded so good to you just now. Can you recreate it? Can we give it a name that works for you?” Now the technique belongs to them. It is not my instruction that they are executing. It is their own body’s discovery that they are remembering.

    Dave and Isaac, a couple who take lessons together, described this as the difference between learning to make music correctly and learning to express what is real. Isaac said he was still working on connecting to music as an expression of something inside rather than something to be done correctly, and that the shift, when it came, changed not just his singing but how he related to making music with his partner and their nephew. Dave told me what he was really learning was not how to sing better, but how to be more himself, in music and in everything else. He said, “We came for the singing and stayed for the growth.”

     

    What I Am Still Learning

    Not every student thrives with me. Students who want the teacher to tell them exactly what to do find my style disorienting. Liam reflected that a younger version of himself might have taken thirty lessons to start singing. Elle said she would not have predicted this approach would work for her; it did, but it required a leap of faith. I’m still learning to signal that the open space is not the absence of direction but the presence of a different kind of attention.

    What Relatefulness has given my teaching is a deep trust that what is genuinely present in the room is the most reliable guide to what should happen next. In a Relateful session, this means orienting toward embodied, relational presence rather than imposing a topic. In my voice studio, it means orienting toward the student’s actual experience rather than imposing a lesson plan. In both, my job is not to know the answer in advance. It is to create conditions in which the answer can emerge on its own, and to bring attention to it when it does.

    Laila said the lessons were about “something on the inside that needs to come out, and that vocalizing helps you understand and give life to it.” Liam called what we do, at its essence, a presence practice with an underlying intention toward self-expression. I would not be teaching this way if I had not spent the last decade learning, in Relatefulness, what it means to be present with another person. Not fixing them, not directing them, but meeting them where they are, and discovering together what wants to happen next.

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    annabethinROAR: Research in Applied Relatefulness - Journal Submissions & discussion•...
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    @jordan let me know if I need to post this somewhere else also.

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    You're cordially invited to ROAR. Jordan here,

    You're cordially invited to submit a paper for the inaugural issue of ROAR, the new Research in Applied Relatefulness Journal.

    This is a powerful endeavor to

    • build our communal body of knowledge
    • cross-pollinate new insights, failures, and best practices
    • celebrate all the incredible practitioners, innovations, and generally showcase the community

    We believe relatefulness has a lot to contribute to civilizational knowledge and inquiry about intersubjective awareness, communication, group facilitation, and the strengths and limitations of our how these practices interface and apply to other fields of study. 

    What kinds of papers?

    (1)  Cross-modal integration: what happens when relatefulness meets other frameworks in practice? eg: IFS & relatefulness, functional medicine and relatefulness (coming in the first issue)

    (2) Practitioner Case Reports: internal relatefulness experiments and best practices. eg: a particular exercise, event flow, or structure 

    (3) Field notes / failure reports. failures and lessons learned. eg: 

    (4) Theoretical & philosophical contributions exploring the conceptual foundations of relatefulness and advancing new frameworks. eg: I'll be publishing an article version of my Relateful Camp 2024 talk "How Not to Start a Cult"

    This is meant to help us see all of our play and exploration as research (because it is) and take part in the larger, ongoing human conversation by being more visible, citable, and propagating what we're doing, what works, and what doesn't, so everyone can learn from everyone and iteration can happen faster. 

    Why you?

    You get to be a founding contributor to a new field, your work becomes citable, you build credibility as a practitioner-researcher, and you get visibility within a growing community.

    If you're not sure, post an abstract to the ROAR UpTrust group and people will weigh in and give you feedback.

    Why now?

    I'm just really excited for the experiential knowledge interchange for the sake of itself. That said...

    We're in an era where our globe's biggest problems require coordinating across wildly different perspectives with very distinct values and desires. 

    Relatefulness can be a key contributor to emerging social-psychotechnology (consciously created intersubjective infrastructure) to help people communicate, and find internal peace and sanity amidst unprecedented pace of transformation.

    Submission Deadline 

    Track 1: March 15th. Your article will be ready for the Camp Preview; a physical artifact at the chow hall at camp that proves the concept and inspires people to submit.

    Track 2: May 15th. Full Founding Issue This gives the broader community a real runway to write something worth publishing. The full issue goes up on relateful.com, gets a downloadable PDF, and is available on Amazon.

    Details

    Formats:
    Practitioner case reports (1,000-2,000 words), cross-modal integration papers (2,000-4,000 words), Field notes / failure reports (500-1,500 words); Theoretical / philosophical contributions (2,000–5,000 words)

    Review/editorial process.
    Submission:
    1) Submit draft to a private UpTrust group, anytime starting day of announcement
    2) Get community feedback (this is not quality control and you should not assume that all comments are good, it just helps the community get involved in our style) Editorial review proceeds on its own timeline and does not depend on community response. 
    3) Editorial review: v1 at least Jordan Myska Allen will review, whether or not you get comments before approval depends largely on the number of submissions; we may expand to a founding editorial board (TBA)
    4) Accepted articles will be published in the following:

    Distribution/format.
    - announced on TTT email list
    - announced on Substack
    - a linkable, indexable page on relateful.com
    - a downloadable PDF
    - A printed copy that people can order through amazon (this may not be ready by Relateful camp. But we will have at least one printed copy at the chow hall)

    Guidelines:

    • Abstract (150-300 words) (unless field notes/failures- (50–150 word abstract is fine)
    • Author info: name, relevant background (facilitation credentials, affiliation with Relateful Company, professional practice, academic training, whatever establishes your credibility in the domain you're writing about, and contact email (for editorial use only, not published))
    • Originality statement (A line confirming the work hasn't been published elsewhere and is the author's own)
    • Conflicts of interest / disclosure: (any relevant personal/financial stakes)
    • Permissions (If you reference specific client work/sessions in a practice that emphasizes confidentiality, this confirms you have consent or have sufficiently anonymized)
    • Voice: first, second, and third person are all welcome (I, we, it) but no need to label them; use whatever constructs enact the experience you're hoping to communicate, including shifting views if needed. We can't study the relational while pretending there's no I or we. (Drawing from Integral Methodology Pluralism).
    • References/citations: We're not imposing APA formatting on practitioners bc we think it'll kill submissions. if you reference someone's work, name them and link to it. 
    • Co-authored pieces should list all contributors with individual author info. Designate one corresponding author for editorial communication.
    • Authors retain copyright; Relateful Company has permission to publish, distribute, and reprint

     

    (Skipping for V1: Detailed style guides, structured heading requirements, blinded review formatting, cover letters, IRB approval documentation, etc.)

    How to submit: Post to here in this ROAR UpTrust group.

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    I can wait to see if adding people increases engagement.  I’d like to write more articles, so more engagement would be great.

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